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Rating MLB Managers By Playing Ability
The vast majority of major-league managers played baseball at some point, though a fair number of them never made the major leagues. But which MLB managers were the best players?
I checked out the playing stats for all the 2011 managers, plus the 4 managers who have been hired for 2012 but didn’t manage in 2011. I then broke the managers into tiers. First up, the stars (there aren’t many):
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Career: 55.5 WAR (16 seasons)
Best year: 6.7 WAR in 671 PA
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Career: 39.8 WAR (14 seasons)
Best year: 6.9 WAR in 742 PA
Kirk Gibson The best solution payday loans, Diamondbacks
Career: 37.1 WAR (17 seasons)
Best year: 7.3 WAR in 632 PA
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Dusty Baker The best solution payday loans, Reds
Career: 34.8 WAR (19 seasons)
Best year: 4.5 WAR in 638 PA
Davey Johnson The best solution payday loans, Nationals
Career: 24.5 WAR (13 seasons)
Best year: 4.5 WAR in 574 PA
Mike Scioscia The best solution payday loans, Angels
Career: 23.7 WAR (13 seasons)
Best year: 4.9 WAR in 526 PA
Bud Black The best solution payday loans, Padres
Career: 19.6 WAR (15 seasons)
Best year: 4.5 WAR in 257 IP
Ozzie Guillen The best solution payday loans, White Sox (2011) / Marlins (2012)
Career: 15.9 WAR (16 seasons)
Best year: 3.5 WAR in 604 PA
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John Farrell The best solution payday loans, Blue Jays
Career: 6.1 WAR (8 seasons)
Best year: 2.8 WAR in 208 IP
Joe Girardi The best solution payday loans, Yankees
Career: 4.8 WAR (15 seasons)
Best year: 1.3 WAR in 407 PA
Clint Hurdle The best solution payday loans, Pirates
Career: 3.0 WAR (10 seasons)
Best year: 1.6 WAR in 481 PA
Ron Roenicke The best solution payday loans, Brewers
Career: 2.8 WAR (8 seasons)
Best year: 1.5 WAR in 170 PA
Mike Matheny The best solution payday loans, Cardinals (new in 2012)
Career: 2.6 WAR (13 seasons)
Best year: 2.2 WAR in 464 PA
Bruce Bochy The best solution payday loans, Giants
Career: 2.0 WAR (9 seasons)
Best year: 1.1 WAR in 142 PA
Bob Melvin The best solution payday loans, A’s
Career: 0.9 WAR (10 seasons)
Best year: 0.9 WAR in 265 PA
Bobby Valentine The best solution payday loans, Red Sox (new in 2012)
Career: 0.8 WAR (9 seasons)
Best year: 0.5 WAR in 434 PA
Hung Around And Probably Shouldn’t Have (6)
Ron Washington The best solution payday loans, Rangers
Career: -0.3 WAR (10 seasons)
Best year: 1.3 WAR in 206 PA
Tony LaRussa The best solution payday loans, Cardinals (2011)
Career: -1.0 WAR (6 seasons)
Best year: -0.3 WAR in 123 PA
Charlie Manuel The best solution payday loans, Phillies
Career: -2.1 WAR (6 seasons)
Best year: -0.8 WAR in 194 PA
Dale Sveum The best solution payday loans, Cubs (new in 2012)
Career: -2.6 WAR (12 seasons)
Best year: 0.8 WAR in 586 PA
Terry Francona The best solution payday loans, Red Sox (2011)
Career: -3.7 WAR (10 seasons)
Best year: 1.1 WAR in 223 PA
Ned Yost The best solution payday loans, Royals
Career: -4.1 WAR (6 seasons)
Best year: 0.2 WAR in 107 PA
Barely Played (7)
Bob Geren The best solution payday loans, A’s (2011)
Career: 0.6 WAR (5 seasons)
Best year: 1.6 WAR in 225 PA
Ron Gardenhire The best solution payday loans, Twins
Career: 0.5 WAR (5 seasons)
Best year: 0.6 WAR in 218 PA
Eric Wedge The best solution payday loans, Mariners
Career: 0.0 WAR (4 seasons)
Best year: 0.3 WAR in 81 PA
Edwin Rodriguez The best solution payday loans, Marlins (2011)
Career: -0.2 WAR (3 seasons)
Best year: -0.1 WAR in 14 PA
Don Cooper The best solution payday loans, White Sox (2011 interim)
Career: -0.6 WAR (4 seasons)
Best year: 0.0 WAR in 58.2 IP
Jim Tracy The best solution payday loans, Rockies
Career: -0.7 WAR (2 seasons)
Best year: -0.4 WAR in 137 PA
Brad Mills The best solution payday loans, Astros
Career: -0.8 WAR (4 seasons)
Best year: 0.1 WAR in 66 PA
Never Played In MLB (11)
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For the 2012 season, there will be 8 managers who were stars or solid regulars, 8 who were decent role-players, 8 who barely played or were bad when they did play, and 6 who never made it to MLB at all. That’s an interesting breakdown in that it is so evenly distributed.
On the one hand, you’d think that there’d be fewer good players, since the players capable of thriving on the MLB level represent such a small minority of those who play pro baseball. On the other hand, though, the better players have more name recognition and have more opportunities to learn the art of managing while playing at the MLB level.
It seems that, for the 2012 season anyway, these factors have balanced each other out. I should note, though, that the 3 best players who are now managing (Ventura, Mattingly, and Gibson) are also 3 of the newest managers, with none having more than 1 season of experience. Getting a managing job is one thing; being successful once you get it is quite another.
Of the top 20 managers in wins all-time, 3 were what I’d call star players: Joe McCarthy
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. Most of the other 17 were mediocre or worse. Given the odds, I guess that’s about what I’d expect, but it does make me curious to see what kind of managerial careers Ventura, Mattingly, and Gibson end up having. Gibson is already off to a good start, winning the NL West in his first year, but it’s obviously way too soon to say where these guys’ managerial careers will end up.
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I’m especially curious about the managerial success of the group that ‘hung around and probably shouldn’t have’, because, in a nutshell, that’s the hidden talent that so-called great managers have. The ability to ‘hang around’, as it is hardly possible for a manager to be of any real use to his team.
Pete Rose betting on his Reds to win was one of the few exceptions, a manager who could be persuasively argued for as *helping* his team. The statheads who fault him for playing himself miss two important things, one of them related to managing. Namely, that there’s nothing like actively playing for keeping one’s head in the game.
The other is that Rose’s hitting personality, best indicated by the volume and ratio of his strikeouts and walks, was roughly equivalent to being a 7-footer in the NBA. Whatever skills the big man loses to age as he makes his way through his thirties and forties, he will still be seven feet tall. Rose was shot as an athlete by forty-two or three, but he could still dunk standing up, and so after a point it got so his game could hardly decline any further, and he legitimately hugged the line of replaceability, like probably he was over it but maybe not quite, for his last five years.